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Morgan Housel: Wealth requires long-term effort

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When it comes to how we approach money, “no one is crazy,” Morgan Housel wrote in his bestselling 2020 book on building wealth, “The Psychology of Money.”

And when it comes to the way we spend money, the decisions we make are just as personal, Housel, a partner at Collaborative Fund, writes in his new book, “The Art of Spending Money.”

“It’s an art because it’s subjective,” Housel told CNBC.com in an interview ahead of the book’s Oct. 7 publication.

Those decisions are crucial to building and maintaining wealth, he says: “Wealth is always a two-part equation — it’s what you have minus what you want.”

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How people aspire to spend their money is often strongly influenced by society, marketing or social media, Housel said.

But those spending habits may not actually make you happy in life, he said. And what you value today may not be what you value 20 years from now.

“I think the biggest aspect is that you have to figure it out for yourself,” Housel said.

CNBC spoke with Housel about how to balance social expectations with personal values, and the questions we need to ask ourselves to better align our spending and values.

The conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity.

‘If nobody was watching, how could I live?’

Morgan Housel, author of “The Psychology of Money” and partner at the Collaborative Fund.

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Lorie Konish: You write about external versus internal benchmarks when it comes to spending. What are some examples of that?

Morgan Housel: Buying a bigger house might make you happier if it makes it easier to have your friends and family over. But it’s the friends and family that are making you happy. That’s the internal benchmark. Spending money on a vacation might make you happier if it’s the only time that it allows you to detach from your daily life and from your job so that you can spend time with your friends and family. But you have to acknowledge that it is that that is making you happy.

The external benchmark would be trying to get the attention, mainly of strangers. And a lot of people do that. I do this. It’s a very normal and natural thing, the assumption of, if I had this car, if I was wearing these clothes, if I lived in this house, if I posted these pictures on social media, other people will respect and admire me.

It’s not that it is black-and-white false in that situation, it’s that we overestimate how much strangers are paying attention to you. Because the truth is, most of the time they are thinking about themselves. They’re thinking about their own car, their own clothes. And if they do look at you and say, “Wow, she has a really nice car,” they’re probably not admiring you. They’re imagining themselves in that car and daydreaming about the respect and admiration they would receive.

LK: It’s like that choice between utility and status that you write about, with utility making your life better and status changing other people’s opinions of you. Should you be striving for one over the other?

MH: I think we have to acknowledge that status is not a bad thing. I engage with it. We all do in our own way. If you were to dress exactly as you wanted to, that fits your personality, it might exclude you from certain social groups and job opportunities.

So, having a certain level of status signaling is not bad. The point is, we overestimate the respect and admiration we’re going to get from it.

If nobody was watching, how could I live? If nobody except maybe my immediate family could see the way that I was living, how would I choose to live? I would not want a fancy sports car. I would probably want a nice pickup truck that gave me a lot of utility. I would not want a house in the most exclusive, expensive zip code. I would want a house with a beautiful view, wherever that might be. If nobody was watching, I would just want to do X, Y and Z that really feeds my soul and makes me happy.

The knee-jerk reaction is to lean more towards the social signaling side, because so much of the modern world is geared towards that. It’s always a balance. It’s just that our balance tends to be in the wrong direction.

‘What actually matters in terms of building wealth’

LK: You write that FOMO, the fear of missing out, is one of the most dangerous financial reactions to exist. How can we avoid that?

MH: If I see somebody getting wealthier, that’s only a small part of what’s going on behind the scenes. And there’s a great quote from [entertainer] Jimmy Carr where he says, “Everyone is jealous of what you’ve got, no one is jealous of how you got it.” And so even if you can see somebody getting wealthier, you can’t see the quality of their relationships, you can’t see their health, you can’t see their confidence. You can’t see all these other things that make an enormous impact and the quality and the happiness of their life.

What actually matters in terms of building wealth over the course of your life is not how quickly you got rich this year, it’s how long you can keep your compounding going. If you can earn nearly average returns for an above-average period of time, you can do extraordinarily well. The normal intuition among even very smart people is that if you want to get rich, you need to do it fast, very quickly. And it is not intuitive, even if it is accurate and right, that the way to actually get rich is to be merely average for a very long period of time.

That’s why FOMO can be so dangerous. It pushes us towards the wrong end of the equation. It pushes us towards getting rich fast, whereas I think the much more durable way to actually build a big fortune is to get rich slow.

LK: We’re constantly making spending decisions that will influence our futures versus what we enjoy today. How do we strike a balance there?

MH: It’s never as simple as, spend your money today, live for today, like the YOLO attitude. And it’s never as simple as, save for tomorrow, you need to compound your money and build your wealth. It’s always just a balance of, what are you going to regret in the future?

Everyone’s propensity for regret is going to be different. Yours is different from mine, and vice versa. Looking back at your life at some point in the future, whether that’s a year from now or 50 years from now, what are you going to look back on and say, I wish I did that differently?

This was an idea I got from Daniel Kahneman, the late psychologist, where he said if you want to be a good investor, you need a very well-calibrated sense of your future regret. Volatility in the stock market is only a risk to the extent that you’re going to regret it at some point in the future. If you ask most investors today, “How much do you regret the fact that you experienced the bear market of 2011?”, they’re going to be like, “What? I forgot that even existed. I don’t even think about it anymore.” So it wasn’t actually a risk.

‘Wealth is always a two-part equation’

LK: You write about the parable of the Mexican fisherman, who works only a few hours a day. He then meets an American businessman who advises him to work hard for 10 years and invest and grow his business so that he can then retire and work for a few hours a day. The irony is that he already has that lifestyle. We have this concept of always needing more, but when do you have enough? And how do you get comfortable with that?

MH: I want to live in a society in which the vast majority of people wake up every morning and say, “This is not enough,” because that’s the seed of innovation. That’s the seed of progress. The reason that I think my kids and grandkids will live in a much better world than you and I do today is because they and their peers will wake up every morning and say, “It’s not enough. I need to go solve more problems, build more wealth.”

This is not a societal problem. This is a societal benefit. But at the individual level, it can create a situation where your dreams are always one step away and you never get any kind of fulfillment in life.

Wealth is always a two-part equation — it’s what you have minus what you want.

Almost all of our emphasis and effort in the financial world goes towards the former, how can you have more? How can you build more? I think the second half of that equation is actually more important part, because some sense of control over it. I have no control over what the stock market’s going to do this year, but I do have control over what I want and my ability to be a little bit more content.

When people daydream about having a bigger house or a nicer car, by and large what they are doing is they are imagining themselves being content with those things in the future. You imagine yourself in that house saying, “This is all I want. I don’t need anything else.”

So a lot of times when people are chasing happiness with money, part of the problem is that happiness is always a fleeting emotion. No one is happy for extended periods of time. If I tell you a funny joke, you don’t laugh for 10 years, you laugh for 30 seconds.

What we’re going for is contentment, just getting to a point where we say, “I’m good and I appreciate what we have.” It’s much easier said than done. A lot of my material aspirations are to impress strangers. And when I remind myself that no one’s paying attention, then those desires tend to drop. No one’s thinking about you as much as you are.

When you come to terms with that, you can use your money for something that is actually way more valuable to you, which is independence.

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Fed in 'neutral' as consumers are feeling okay but not great: The Conference Board CEO Steve Odland

The Federal Reserve held interest rates steady at the conclusion of its policy meeting on Wednesday. 

In what could be Jerome Powell’s last as chair before President Donald Trump’s yet-to-be-confirmed nominee Kevin Warsh takes the helm, central bankers maintained the federal funds rate in a target range of 3.5% to 3.75%. 

Inflation has surged since the war with Iran began, leaving policymakers with limited room to act, according to Sean Snaith, the director of the University of Central Florida’s Institute for Economic Forecasting. “We’re in a kind of suspended animation — between Iran and the Fed transition,” Snaith said.

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Before the oil shock, inflation was holding above the Fed’s 2% target but not worsening. Now the jump in energy costs could have longer-term inflationary effects, economists say.

For Americans struggling in the face of higher gas prices and overall affordability challenges, the central bank’s decision to keep interest rates unchanged does little to ease budgetary pressures. “The cavalry isn’t coming anytime soon,” Snaith said.

How the Fed decision impacts you

The Fed’s benchmark sets what banks charge each other for overnight lending, but also has a trickle-down effect on many consumer borrowing and savings rates.

Short-term rates are more closely pegged to the prime rate, which is typically 3 percentage points above the federal funds rate. Longer-term rates, such as home loans, are more influenced by inflation and other economic factors.

Credit cards

Most credit cards have a short-term rate, so they track the Fed’s benchmark.

After the Fed cut rates three times in the second half of 2025, the average annual percentage rate has stayed just under 20%, according to Bankrate.

“Without Fed rate cuts, there’s not much reason to expect meaningful declines anytime soon, so carrying a balance will remain very expensive,” said Matt Schulz, chief credit analyst at LendingTree. 

Mortgage rates

Fixed mortgage rates, on the other hand, don’t directly track the Fed but typically follow the lead of long-term Treasury rates. 

Concerns about how the Iran war will impact the U.S. economy have already pushed the average rate for a 30-year, fixed-rate mortgage up to 6.38% as of Tuesday, from 5.99% at the end of February, according to Mortgage News Daily.

That leaves homeowners with existing low mortgage rates “feeling stuck,” said Michele Raneri, vice president and head of U.S. research and consulting at TransUnion. “Mortgages, more than any other credit type, work on a churn,” she said, referring to how a dip in rates can boost borrowing activity.

Student loans

Federal student loan rates are also fixed and based in part on the 10-year Treasury note, so most borrowers are somewhat shielded from Fed moves and recent economic uncertainty.

Current interest rates on undergraduate federal student loans made through June 30 are 6.39%, according to the U.S. Department of Education. Interest rates for the upcoming school year will be based in part on the May auction of the 10-year note.

Car loans

Auto loan rates are tied to several factors, including the Fed’s benchmark. Because financing costs remain elevated, new car buyers are taking on longer loans to keep their monthly payments manageable, according to the latest data from Edmunds.

Even so, with the rate on a five-year new car loan near 7%, the average monthly payment on a new car rose to $773 in the first quarter of 2026, an all-time high.

“Car buyers are in a tough spot right now because they’re getting squeezed from both ends: high sticker prices and high interest rates, with neither showing any signs of letting up,” said Joseph Yoon, consumer insights analyst at Edmunds.

“Until the rate picture shifts, buyers will keep stretching loan terms to make payments work, which only adds to the total cost of ownership down the road,” Yoon said.

Savings rates

While the Fed has no direct influence on deposit rates, the yields tend to be correlated with changes in the target federal funds rate. So, although rates on certificates of deposit and high-yield savings accounts have fallen from recent highs, they are holding above the annual rate of inflation.

For now, top-yielding online savings accounts and one-year CD rates pay around 4%, according to Bankrate.

“Yields on high-yield savings accounts and certificates of deposit are down from their peaks of a few years ago, but they’re still strong compared to what we’ve seen for most of the past decade,” Schulz said.

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Average tax refund is 11.2% higher, latest IRS filing data shows

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The average tax refund is 11.2% higher this season, compared with about the same period in 2025, according to the latest IRS filing data.

As of April 10, the average refund amount for individual filers was $3,397, up from $3,055 about one year ago, the IRS reported on Friday.

The IRS data reflects about 114 million individual returns received, out of about 164 million expected through Tax Day. Next week’s filing update is expected to include data through the April 15 deadline.

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President Donald Trump‘s 2025 legislation, rebranded to the “working families tax cuts,” was a key talking point for Republicans on Tax Day.

With the November midterm elections approaching and Republicans defending slim majorities in Congress, many GOP lawmakers have highlighted Trump’s tax breaks and higher average refunds.

Meanwhile, affordability has been top of mind for many Americans amid rising costs of gas, electricity, food and other living expenses.

For filers who expected a refund this season, nearly one-quarter, or 23%, planned to use the funds to pay down credit card debt, and the same share said they would save the payment, according to the CNBC and SurveyMonkey Quarterly Money Survey, released in April. It polled 3,494 U.S. adults at the end of March.

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“It’s been a great tax season for the American people,” many of whom have benefited from Trump’s tax breaks, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said during a White House press briefing on Wednesday. 

More than 53 million filers claimed at least one of Trump’s “signature new tax cuts” — the deductions for tip income, overtime earnings, seniors and auto loan interest — the Department of the Treasury also announced on Wednesday.

Those filers, who claimed the deductions on Schedule 1-A, have seen an average tax cut of over $800, according to the Treasury. Tax cuts can trigger a higher refund or reduce taxes owed, depending on the filer’s situation. 

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Some filers who itemize tax breaks have also seen benefits from the bigger federal deduction limit for state and local taxes, known as SALT. Trump’s legislation raised that cap to $40,000, up from $10,000, for 2025.

The latest SALT deduction limit change is expected to primarily benefit higher earners, according to a May 2025 analysis of various proposals from the Tax Foundation.

The Treasury has not released data on how many filers have claimed the SALT deduction during the 2026 filing season. 

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Stocks have touched record highs despite Iran war. Here’s why

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U.S. stocks climbed to record highs on Thursday against a backdrop of war, an oil supply shock and economic forecasts warning of stunted growth amid a protracted conflict.

Many investors may be thinking: Why?

Largely, it’s because the stock market is a barometer of what investors think will happen in the future, rather than an assessment of the present day, according to economists and market analysts.

Investors are essentially shrugging off the Middle East conflict as a blip that will be resolved relatively quickly, they said.

“The stock market isn’t trying to price what’s happening today,” said Joe Seydl, a senior markets economist at J.P. Morgan Private Bank. “The stock market is always trying to price what the world is going to look like six to 12 months from now.”

Why stocks have been ‘resilient’

The S&P 500, a U.S. stock index, fell about 8% in the initial weeks of the Iran war, from the start of the conflict on Feb. 28 to a recent low on March 30.

But stocks have rebounded since then, erasing all losses since the beginning of the war. The S&P 500 closed at an all-time high on Thursday — about 11% higher than its nadir at the end of March. That followed a record close on Wednesday.

“The market has remained very resilient in the face of the war and has rallied strongly on the prospect that it will be resolved,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s.

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And while investors cheered the possibility of a diplomatic off-ramp to the conflict, the temporary ceasefire has appeared tenuous, with the U.S. and Iran each accusing the other of breaking the agreement.

Nations haven’t been able to reach a peace deal ahead of the ceasefire’s end. Vice President JD Vance said ​U.S. officials ⁠left peace talks in Pakistan over the weekend after the Iranian delegation refused to agree to American demands not to develop a nuclear weapon.

The markets ‘have memory’

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Economists pointed to a recent example of this dynamic: in April 2025 during so-called liberation day, when the Trump administration levied a host of tariffs on U.S. trading partners.

Within days — after the stock market had cratered more than 12% — Trump announced a 90-day pause on those tariffs. Stocks then saw one of their biggest daily rallies in history following Trump’s reversal.

Investors remember that Trump often de-escalates geopolitical shocks — which is why they’ve seized on positive headlines that hint at progress in peace talks, for example, Seydl said.

“The markets have memory,” Seydl said.

AI stocks and the ‘tech boom’

Traders celebrating at the New York Stock Exchange on April 15, 2026, as the S&P 500 closed above the 7,000 level for the first time.

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There are other factors underpinning market resilience during wartime, economists said.

One is the investors’ enthusiasm for artificial intelligence and technology stocks, which account for almost half of the S&P 500’s market capitalization, Zandi said.

“Those stocks run on their own dynamic independent of anything, including the war in Iran,” Zandi said. “I think we would have been down a lot more and it would have been harder for us to recover had it not been for the very, very optimistic perspectives on AI.”

We’re in the middle of a “tech boom” — and investors are likely to remain optimistic until they think the tech cycle has run its course, Seydl said.

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More broadly, stock investors are essentially making a bet on the future earnings growth of a company — and the earnings backdrop has been “pretty solid,” Seydl said.

Consumer spending appears to be stable, for example, economists said. And companies are getting a boost to their after-tax earnings from the GOP’s so-called “big beautiful bill,” which, among other things, made it easier to write off investments upfront and therefore reduce their tax liability, Zandi said.

Going forward

Even if the conflict is short-lived — as the broad market expects — stocks are unlikely to march much higher until it’s clear the U.S. is on the other side of the war and its economic fallout, Zandi said.

If investors are incorrect, and President Trump doesn’t back down or quickly extricate the U.S. from the war, the stock market may see a “full-blown correction” or worse, Zandi said. A stock market correction is a decline of at least 10% from recent highs.

“Everyone thinks they know what the script is,” Zandi said. “Now they just need to follow the script. If they don’t, the market will have some real problems.”

The uncertainty provides yet another example of why the average investor with a long time horizon should stick to their investment plan and ignore the noise, experts said.

“Trying to time the market is very difficult if not impossible for the average investor,” Seydl said. “It’s better to take a long-term perspective and ride out bouts of volatility.”

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