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China’s stock surge has echoes of the 2015 bubble. What’s different

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October 1, 2024

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A customer watches stock market at a stock exchange in Hangzhou, China, on September 27, 2024.

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BEIJING — The rocket higher in Chinese stocks so far looks different from the market bubble in 2015, analysts said.

Major mainland China stock indexes surged by more than 8% Monday, extending a winning streak on the back of stimulus hopes. Trading volume on the Shanghai and Shenzhen stock exchanges hit 2.59 trillion yuan ($368.78 billion), surpassing a high of 2.37 trillion yuan on May 28, 2015, according to Wind Information.

Over six months from 2014 to 2015, the Chinese stock market doubled in value, while leverage climbed, Aaron Costello, regional head for Asia at Cambridge Associates, pointed out Monday.

This time around, the market hasn’t run up as much, while leverage is lower, he said. “We’re not in the danger zone yet.”

Stock market leverage by percentage and value were far higher in 2015 than data for Monday showed, according to Wind Information.

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The Shanghai Composite in June 2015 soared past 5,100 points, a level it has never regained since a market plunge later that summer. MSCI that year delayed adding the mainland Chinese stocks to its globally tracked emerging markets index. Also hitting sentiment was Beijing’s back-and-forth on a crackdown on trading with borrowed funds and a surprise devaluation of the Chinese yuan against the U.S. dollar.

This year, the yuan is trading stronger against the greenback, while foreign institutional allocation to Chinese stocks has fallen to multi-year lows.

The Shanghai Composite closed at 3,336.5 on Monday, before mainland exchanges closed for a week-long holiday commemorating the 75th anniversary of the People’s Republic of China. Trading is set to resume on Oct. 8.

In the runup to the 2015 market rally, Chinese state media had encouraged stock market investment, while loose rules allowed people to buy stocks with borrowed funds. Beijing has long sought to build up its domestic stock market, which at roughly 30 years old is far younger than that of the U.S.

Strong policy signals

The latest market gains follow announcements in the last week of economic support and programs to encourage institutions to put more money into stocks. The news helped stocks rebound from roughly their lowest levels of the year. The CSI 300 rallied by nearly 16% in its best week since 2008.

Chinese President Xi Jinping on Thursday led a high-level meeting that called for halting the real estate market’s decline as well as strengthening fiscal and monetary policy. The People’s Bank of China last week also cut interest rates and the amount existing mortgage holders need to pay.

“The policy is much stronger and [more] concerted this time than 2015. That said, the economy faces greater headwind[s] right now compared to back then,” said Zhu Ning, author of “China’s Guaranteed Bubble.”

One week of massive stock gains do not mean the economy is on its way to a similar recovery.

The CSI 300 remains more than 30% below its February 2021 high, a level that had even surpassed the index’s 2015 high.

“The Japanese experience provides an important perspective, as the Nikkei 225 Index bounced four times by an average of 34 per cent on its way to a 66 per cent cumulative drop from December 1989 to September 1998,” Stephen Roach, senior fellow at Yale Law School’s Paul Tsai China Center, pointed out Tuesday in a blog post that was also published in the Financial Times opinion section.

Economic data for the last few months have pointed to slower growth in retail sales and manufacturing. That raised concerns that China’s gross domestic product would not reach the full-year target of around 5% without additional stimulus.

“I think what’s missing is the key to a lot of this, that has not come out, which would be a truly confidence-boosting measure, is how are they going to fix the local government finances,” Costello said, noting local coffers once relied on land sales for revenue to spend on public services.

While Chinese authorities have cut interest rates and eased some home buying restrictions, the Ministry of Finance has yet to announce additional debt issuance to support growth.

Animal spirits at play

Peter Alexander, founder and managing director of Z-Ben Advisors, expects the level of fiscal stimulus — when it’s likely announced in late October — to be less than what markets are hoping for.

It “may have investors a little bit over their skis, as people like to say,” he said Monday on CNBC’s “Street Signs Asia.”

He added in a written response that his experiences in 2007 and 2015 indicate the Chinese stock market rally could last for another three to six months, or abruptly end.

“This is pure animal instincts and the Chinese have been pent up for a stock market rally,” Alexander said. He added that there are market risks from how unprepared the stock trading system was for the surge of buying.

Data on the number of new retail investors in China this year wasn’t publicly available. Reports indicate brokerages have been overwhelmed with new requests, echoing how individuals piled into the stock market nearly a decade earlier. The Shanghai Stock Exchange on Friday said confirming transactions at the market open had been abnormally slow.

Looking for earnings growth

“China was cheap and was missing the catalyst. … The catalyst has occurred to unlock the value,” Costello said.

“Fundamentally we need to see corporate earnings go up,” he said. “If that doesn’t go up, this is all a short-term pop.”

Beijing’s efforts earlier this year to stem a market rout included changing the head of the securities regulator. Stocks climbed, only to see the rally peter out in May.

A factor that can send stocks past May levels is that earnings per share forecasts have stabilized versus downgrades earlier this year, James Wang, head of China strategy at UBS Investment Bank Research, said in a note Monday.

Lower U.S. interest rates, a stronger Chinese yuan, increased share buybacks and more coordinated policymaker response also support gains, he said. Wang’s latest price target of $70 on the MSCI China index is now just a few cents above where it closed Monday.

— CNBC’s Hui Jie Lim contributed to this report.

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These are 3 big things we’re watching in the stock market this week

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April 27, 2025

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The stock market bounce last week showed once again just how dependent Wall Street has become on the whims of the White House. Case in point: The S & P 500 sank more than 2% this past Monday as President Donald Trump was attacking Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell and providing scant details on tariff talks. Then on Tuesday , things started to turn around. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said there “will be a de-escalation” in the trade war with China. It was the first day of what turned out to be a three-session rally for the S & P 500. Wednesday ‘s gains were fueled after Trump said he would not fire Powell and softened his stance on China. Thursday ‘s advance came despite China saying no trade talks were going on with the U.S., and the White House saying otherwise. The market finished higher Friday . When it was all said and done, the S & P 500 and the Nasdaq gained 4.6% and 6.7% , respectively, for the week. Nasdaq’s outsized advance last week put it in the green for the month with just three trading days left in April. Our tech stock standouts last week included Broadcom ‘s 12.5% gain and CrowdStrike ‘s 13% advance. The broader market S & P 500, however, was still down 1.5% in April as health care and materials continued to struggle this month. For the week, the Dow rose 2.5%, but that did not put much of a dent in the 30-stock average’s 4.5% monthly decline. .SPX .DJI,.IXIC YTD mountain S & P 500, Dow, and Nasdaq YTD Earnings from consumer-facing companies last week confirmed what the monthly consumer surveys have been reporting: People are worried about the economy and inflation and are not spending as freely. On Friday, the University of Michigan’s final look at April consumer sentiment was a bit better than the prior release on both feelings about the economy and inflation. However, the readings were still dismal. Four Club names delivered their quarterly report cards last week. Depressed Danaher on Tuesday showed signs of life , and the stock picked up nearly 5.5%. The theme of Capital One’s quarter, also out Tuesday, was resilient credit quality heading into next month’s completion of its purchase of credit card company and payment network Discover Financial. Capital One soared more than 12% last week. It was our biggest winner. The portfolio’s other financial stocks — Wells Fargo , Goldman Sachs , and BlackRock — also performed well last week. On Thursday, we lowered our price target on Bristol Myers Squibb because the financials did not resolve lingering issues for the stock, which lost 2.7% for the week. Guidance from Dover , also out Thursday, was prudently conservative , and the market rewarded the stock. Dover shares rose 5% for the week. We sent out four trade alerts last week. On Monday, we made good on Jim Cramer’s call earlier this month to lighten up on Apple and Nvidia because they are so hard to own in Trump’s second administration due to U.S. tensions with China. Apple and Nvidia gained ground last week — more than 6% and 9%, respectively. We also bought more shares of Capital One before the earnings pop because we felt the stock on Monday should have done better following regulator approval for its Discover deal. On Tuesday, we bought more shares of BlackRock and Dover before they jumped last week. We also added to our Starbucks position, which perked up last week but was still losing roughly 15% in April on all the back and forth on China trade talks. We trimmed Linde on Thursday. Shares of the industrial-focused name have been resilient throughout the market turmoil and have maintained gains. There’s plenty on the economic calendar in the week ahead, with pivotal releases on both sides of the Fed’s dual policy mandate of maximum employment (jobs) and price stability (inflation). In that sense, the data in the coming days carries implications for the central bank’s future moves on interest rates and investors’ understanding of where the U.S. economy stands during the trade war more generally. In addition to the usual weekly jobless claims data on Thursday, there are three major labor market reports on tap. Job, jobs, jobs The Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey for March is due out Tuesday morning. The closely watched release, known as JOLTS, measures the tightness or slack in the jobs market. That provides clues on whether businesses are looking to hire and potential wage inflation. As of Friday, the consensus estimate is 7.47 million job openings, according to FactSet. On Wednesday morning, payroll processing firm ADP’s look at private job creation is slated for release. Economists expect private employers added 150,000 jobs in April, a month marked by tariff uncertainty, according to FactSet. ADP is generally seen as a preview of the U.S. government’s official jobs report, though it’s hardly a perfect harbinger. Friday brings that official government jobs data. The nonfarm payrolls report for April also is expected to show the U.S. added 150,000 jobs, with the unemployment rate staying unchanged from the prior month at 4.2%, according to FactSet. Of course, the impact of tariffs on hiring is a key question. Whether the Trump administration’s efforts to downsize the federal workforce shows up in a material way is another question. In the March report, government positions dropped by just 4,000 . Inflation check The Fed’s preferred inflation gauge is set to be released Wednesday morning, with economists expecteding that the PCE index rose 2.6% year over year in March and 0.1% on a sequential basis. It bears repeating that this report is for March, so it was before Trump’s steep “reciprocal” tariffs briefly went into effect – then were paused while 10% baseline tariff on most trading partners was left in place. Nevertheless, the personal consumption expenditures index will shine a light on where price pressures in the economy stood before tariffs heated up. Inflation has remained above the Fed’s 2% target, and central bankers are waiting to see the inflationary impacts of tariffs. Earnings On top of the busy week of jobs and inflation data, the earnings calendar is jam-packed inside and outside the portfolio. We have 10 Club names reporting — headlined by four Big Tech holdings — while other influential companies in the market include Visa on Tuesday, Caterpillar on Wednesday, and Mastercard and McDonald’s on Thursday. Here’s what to watch for when our portfolio names report, along with sales and revenue estimates courtesy of LSEG. All other estimates are from FactSet. Honeywell is the first of the Club stocks to report on Tuesday morning, and as an industrial company with economic sensitivity, the trade war’s impact on customer orders will be a big focus. It’s worth noting: The company’s 2025 guidance offered in early February was already conservative. Its impending breakup into three standalone companies will be another topic of conversation. LSEG estimates: revenue of $9.59 billion and EPS: $2.21. Starbucks on Tuesday night is all about whether CEO Brian Niccol’s turnaround efforts are showing further signs of progress after its last quarter showed early indications that they were. Will they help the coffee chain break its four-quarter streak of declining same-store sales? The current consensus on Wall Street is for a decline of 0.8%. The weakening consumer may have hurt Starbucks during the period (and also could weigh on its outlook). Finally, updates on its China strategy and whether it’s facing anti-American backlash in that struggling market will be noteworthy. LSEG estimates: revenue of $8.86 billion and EPS of 50 cents. The biggest questions around Meta Platforms ‘ report after Wednesday’s close: How did its bread-and-butter advertising perform during the quarter as tariff-driven economic uncertainty started to bubble up, and how have more recent trade war developments changed advertisers’ behavior, particularly China-based businesses, if at all? The second theme is Meta’s AI spending plans in the face of elevated uncertainty. Is CEO Mark Zuckerberg standing by its $60 to $65 billion capital expenditures guidance? LSEG estimates: revenue of $41.39 billion and EPS: $5.28. The conversation on AI spending also will be playing out on Microsoft’s earnings call on Wednesday night. For roughly two months now, questions have been swirling about Microsoft’s data center expansion leases, with various reports of lease cancelations and pauses. Hopefully, analysts and investors alike get further clarity on this and the company’s capex intentions more broadly. The most important metric in the report is Azure cloud growth for both the January-to-March period and guidance for the current quarter. LSEG estimates: revenue of $68.44 billion and EPS: $3.22. Shares of Linde , which reports Thursday morning, have acted quite defensively this year for a company sensitive to economic growth. The nature of Linde’s localized industrial gas business makes it so its impact is more indirect — in other words, if an uncertain macro forces its customers to pull back their production, then Linde could see that show up in its volumes. The comforting thing for investors is that Linde’s management team is known for its conservatism with its guidance, and a weaker U.S. dollar could also be a tailwind to earnings growth. LSEG estimates: revenue: of $8.24 billion and EPS: $3.92. For Eli Lilly ‘s results on Thursday morning, the most important drugs remain Zepbound for obesity and Mounjaro for obesity, and analysts see them generating combined revenues of $6.06 billion in the quarter. This time around, though, Lilly’s call may spend a lot more time away from the GLP-1 market, with tariffs and the evolving regulatory regime in Washington — ranging from drug-price negotiations to industry critic Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as the nation’s top health official — as being major discussion points. To be sure, pipeline commentary, especially expectations for its GLP-1 pill , also will be influential. LSEG estimates: revenue: $12.67 billion and EPS: $3.05. Tariffs will be the dominant story on Thursday night when Apple reports. We’ll finally hear directly from CEO Tim Cook on how the company has responded thus far on production and plans to proceed from here, given it is currently exempt from the most aggressive tariffs on Chinese imports but still faces the looming threat of electronics-specific duties. Last Tuesday, new data showed that American consumers are prepared to remain loyal to the iPhone. On Friday, Reuters reported Apple is trying to make most of its U.S.-sold iPhones in India by the end of 2026. The other main angle is how tariffs have changed customer behavior. Did a lot of purchases get pulled into March quarter to beat tariff price hikes, leading to more subdued demand in the current quarter? LSEG estimates: revenue of $94.3 billion and EPS: $1.62. Amazon ‘s forward commentary on how the tariffs are affecting its ecommerce, Amazon Web Services and advertising businesses will carry greater weight than the first-quarter results themselves. On the retail side, have customers been stocking up to beat tariffs, and how is the company handling supply? Are sellers hiking their prices ? For AWS, is the uncertain environment changing customers’ consumption habits and IT budgets at all? Of course, analysts also will press on Amazon’s data center and AI spending strategy . On the ad front, Amazon has exposure to China-based marketers, like Meta, and weaker consumer spending could generally pressure ad spending. Profitability is a key watch item, too. LSEG estimates: revenue of $154.92 billion and EPS: $1.36. When DuPont reports Friday morning, investors will be in search of updates on what the tariffs mean for customer demand — spanning industries such as electronics, automotive and construction — rather than the company’s own import exposure. DuPont’s business in China, which is almost a fifth of its sales, will be a big focus, and executives will surely get questions about Beijing’s investigation into the firm . DuPont’s electronics spinoff planned for later this year figures to be discussed, as well. LSEG estimates: revenue of $94.3 billion and EPS of 95 cents. Rounding out the week alongside DuPont on Friday morning is electrical equipment supplier Eaton , which has seen its stock hit hard this year as investors questioned the sustainability of data center investments. That crucial business will be a topic of conversation, as well as the company’s direct tariff exposure and the secondary effect on customer demand in businesses including automotive. Order growth, project backlog and margins are important metrics to watch. LSEG estimates: revenue of $6.26 billion and EPS of $2.70. Week ahead Monday, April 28 Dallas Fed’s Texas Manufacturing Outlook Survey Before the bell: Roper Technologies (ROP), Domino’s Pizza (DPZ) After the close: Cadence Design Systems (CDS), Rambus (RMBS), NXP Semiconductor (NXPI), Nucor (NUE), Waste Management (WM), Noble Corporation (NE), Leggett & Platt (LEG) Tuesday, April 29 Census Bureau’s Monthly Wholesale Trade Survey at 8:30 a.m. ET The Conference Board’s Consumer Confidence Survey at 10 a.m. ET Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey at 10 a.m. ET Before the bell: UPS (UPS), Honeywell (HON) , General Motors (GM), Pfizer (PFE), Coca-Cola (KO), JetBlue (JBLU), PayPal (PYPL), Kraft Heinz (KHC), Hilton Hotels (HLT), Deutsche Bank (DB), Adidas (ADS), Spotify (SPOT), Brinker International (EAT), Royal Caribbean (RCL) After the bell: Visa (V), Booking Holdings (BKNG), Starbucks (SBUX) , Mondelez International (MDLZ), Caesars Entertainment (CZR), PPG Industries (PPG), Expand Energy (EXE) Wednesday, April 30 ADP’s Employment Survey at 8:15 a.m. ET Gross Domestic Product, First Quarter Advance Estimate at 8:30 a.m. ET Personal Consumption Expenditures Price Index at 10 a.m. ET National Association of Realtors’ Pending Home Sales Index at 10 a.m. ET Before the bell: Caterpillar (CAT), Humana (HUM), GSK (GSK), Barclays (BCS), Airbus (AIR), Stanley Black & Decker (SWK), GE Healthcare (GEHC), Norwegian Cruise Line (NCL), International Paper (IP), Wingstop (WING), ADP (ADP) After the bell: Qualcomm (QCOM), Meta Platforms (META), Microsoft (MSFT), eBay (EBAY), Robinhood (HOOD), Teladoc Health (TDOC), KLA Corp (KLA), MGM Resorts (MGM), Canadian Pacific Kansas City (CP) Thursday, May 1 Initial Jobless Claims at 8:30 a.m. ET ISM’s Manufacturing PMI at 10 a.m. ET Before the bell: Eli Lilly (LLY), Linde (LIN), CVS Health (CVS), McDonald’s (MCD), Mastercard (MA), Intercontinental Exchange (ICE), Shake Shack (SHAK), Sirius XM (SIRI), Harley-Davidson (HOG), Biogen (BIIB), Moderna (MRNA), Wayfair (W), Cardinal Health (CAH), Roblox (RBLX) After the bell: Amgen (AMGN), Apple (AAPL), Amazon (AMZN), Roku (ROKU), Airbnb (ABNB), Block (XYZ), Motorola Solutions (MSI), Juniper Networks (JNP), Mohawk Industries (MHK), U.S. Steel (X), Reddit (RDDT), Live Nation (LYV), Stryker (SYK), EOG Resources (EOG), Ingersoll Rand (IR) Friday, May 2 April Nonfarm Payrolls Report at 8:30 a.m. ET Before the bell: Chevron (CVX), Exxon Mobil (XOM), Eaton (ETN), Cigna (CI), DuPont (DD), FuboTV (FUBO), Wendy’s (WEN), Shell (SHEL), T. 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The stock market bounce last week showed once again just how dependent Wall Street has become on the whims of the White House.

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These U.S. consumer stocks face higher China risks

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April 27, 2025

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Apple iPhone assembly in India won’t cushion China tariffs: Moffett

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April 26, 2025

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Street's biggest Apple bear says a production move to India is unrealistic

Leading analyst Craig Moffett suggests any plans to move U.S. iPhone assembly to India is unrealistic.

Moffett, ranked as a top analyst multiple times by Institutional Investor, sent a memo to clients on Friday after the Financial Times reported Apple was aiming to shift production toward India from China by the end of next year.

He’s questioning how a move could bring down costs tied to tariffs because the iPhone components would still be made in China.

“You have a tremendous menu of problems created by tariffs, and moving to India doesn’t solve all the problems. Now granted, it helps to some degree,” the MoffettNathanson partner and senior managing director told CNBC’s “Fast Money” on Friday. “I would question how that’s going to work.”

Moffett contends it’s not so easy to diversify to India — telling clients Apple’s supply chain would still be anchored in China and would likely face resistance.

“The bottom line is a global trade war is a two-front battle, impacting costs and sales. Moving assembly to India might (and we emphasize might) help with the former. The latter may ultimately be the bigger issue,” he wrote to clients.

Moffett cut his Apple price target on Monday to $141 from $184 a share. It implies a 33% drop from Friday’s close. The price target is also the Street low, according to FactSet.

“I don’t think of myself as the biggest Apple bear,” he said. “I think quite highly of Apple. My concern about Apple has been the valuation more than the company.”

Moffett has had a “sell” rating on Apple since Jan. 7. Since then, the company’s shares are down about 14%.

“None of this is because Apple is a bad company. They still have a great balance sheet [and] a great consumer franchise,” he said. “It’s just the reality of there are no good answers when you are a product company, and your products are going to be significantly tariffed, and you’re heading into a market that is likely to have at least some deceleration in consumer demand because of the macro economy.”

Moffett notes Apple also isn’t getting help from its carriers to cushion the blow of tariffs.

“You also have the demand destruction that’s created by potentially higher prices. Remember, you had AT&T, Verizon and T. Mobile all this week come out and say we’re not going to underwrite the additional cost of tariff [on] handsets,” he added. “The consumer is going to have to pay for that. So, you’re going to have some demand destruction that’s going to show up in even longer holding periods and slower upgrade rates — all of which probably trims estimates next year’s consensus.”

According to Moffett, the backlash against Apple in China over U.S. tariffs will also hurt iPhone sales.

“It’s a very real problem,” Moffett said. “Volumes are really going to the Huaweis and the Vivos and the local competitors in China rather than to Apple.”

Apple stock is coming off a winning week — up more than 6%. It comes ahead of the iPhone maker’s quarterly earnings report due next Thursday after the market close.

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