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Sage Copilot AI aims to pair power and simplicity for small and medium businesses

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Small and mid-size business platform Sage is already well experienced with AI, having woven it throughout their products for years, but its new generative AI Sage Copilot solution has been touted as a dramatic step forward in the company’s long term vision of simplifying accounting to make it more accessible to all. 

Aaron Harris, Sage’s chief technology officer, said that the company has long had classic AI deep learning models that perform functions users have relied on for years. These tasks often require the use of many different models working in concert, with Harris noting that invoice processing alone requires the use of 27 different models: 15 to 20 are required to read the data alone, and more are needed to perform the calculations. 

Sage Copilot coordinates between these models and acts as an interpreter between them and the human users who are requesting they perform a task. Effectively a “mouth” attached to a larger whole, the LLM works by translating the user request, usually inputted through a conversational interface, into machine language. This then goes to the various AI models on Sage’s servers, which then get to work on whatever the user asked them for, eventually sending instructions back to the LLM. The LLM reads back the machine language and implements the command or, in the case of an informational query, translates it back to human language. Harris stressed that it is not the LLM itself that does this work, referencing their well-known difficulties with math, but the other AI models that the LLM interacts with. 

“We don’t trust them to do math. There’s much better ways to do math… We’re not using the AI to do the math on the results, we’re using AI to write the [structured query language] exactly as you described,” said Harris during an interview. 

He added that, rather than being a feature of any one particular solution, Sage Copilot can be used across its products through the use of specialized “agents.” The company creates AI “agents” purpose built to do one thing really well, such as interacting with certain types of data, executing specific queries, or engaging with specific software products. Sage Copilot has access to multiple agents, each built to communicate with a different product, whether Sage Intaact, Sage HR or something else.

“The intention is that Copilot can work across the portfolio of Sage products,” he said. 

Having Copilot act as a coordinator for all the other models also means its automation capacities go far past what it had previously accomplished. Harris raised the example of processing an invoice. This act alone requires multiple steps, but many of them have already been automated in Sage, taking out much of the work. Copilot goes a step further by allowing wholesale workflow automation through coordinating among several models that each enable a different automated process. “We can now really accelerate our ability to automate with large language models, and we can use AI to do more of the orchestration. So, giving it the ability to not just process the invoice but to move it on to the approval stage, to understand after it’s approved [it needs to] move it through the payment process,” he said. 

He added that, in the future, “that invoice will have been created for you, automatically.” His team had recently conducted a hackathon where it was found Copilot can automatically generate invoices based on events happening around the user, like if it knew they were going on a job using geofencing, and act proactively. 

Harris said that certain companies today will attach their solution to a ChatGPT account and call that generative AI functionality. In contrast, developing Copilot was a meticulous process that required a lot of trial and error even before its UK release earlier this year. During this time, the development team encountered many challenges that needed to be overcome, such as teaching the model that there can be more than one kind of cash balance. 

“I got in and I asked Copilot ‘what is my cash balance?’ And Copilot said it’s at zero. And I dug around and what I learned was that Copilot inferred from my question ‘what’s my petty cash?’ It didn’t actually understand that what I was asking for was the balance of cash across my bank account,” he said. “Fast forward a month. We’ve done a lot of work to train the model the way we wanted to when you ask that question. … [Now] it’ll give you a table with your bank accounts and your balances in total. If that is what you’re asking, this is the answer.” 

Getting these kinds of interactions right was vital to ensuring Copilot was easy to use and reliable in its outputs without having to possess a lot of arcane technical knowledge. Interacting with Copilot in plain language allows people to access accounting information and perform business tasks on their own, a major component of the wider goal of making accounting more accessible to a wider base of people. 

“Generative AI and copilots, and their natural conversational interface, enables us to bring accounting outside the finance team to the rest of the business. One of the biggest blocks is getting [accountants] to approve things or to answer questions, finance teams are spending time supporting me instead of getting the books closed. With Copilot having a conversational interface, it now becomes much more natural and easy for me to approve a purchase order or to ask a question like ‘how am I trending on my travel expenses?'” Harris said. 

While Sage wants to make accounting more accessible to the layperson, he added that professionals can be excited too. The big promise, he said, is that it will free them from things they don’t want to do. He compared it to having an army of interns at one’s disposal who can take care of the numerous mundane demands that pop up throughout the day. The result, according to Harris, will be “faster and smarter decisions.” 

“Unpacking that, what we’re really saying is [this can be] how you, across the whole of the business, understand the patterns of activity in that business in real time to discover when there is a change in performance—when there’s something that can indicate an opportunity or risk—that the more strategic specialists can address in real time… We’re enabling more decisions to be made confidently,” he said. 

Harris said the name “Copilot” represents what he felt was a good bet that the term copilot would become generic, versus being permanently associated with Microsoft’s product. He said that the term has, over time, emerged as standard in a similar manner as “band-aid,” “Xerox” and “Google.” 

The large language model was released in the UK in February and is set for release in the US at the end of this year. 

Part of a larger strategy

Copilot is one component of the company’s larger product strategy to promote continuous accounting, real time assurance and continuous insights. But this, itself, is part of Sage’s overall strategy, particularly for the North American market; Mark Hickman, the managing director of North America, said Copilot is “critical to our success.” 

“As we move forward, [we want] to really be that leader, we want to be ahead of the competition when it comes to AI and how we bring that to market, into that ecosystem of 2 million customers globally and hundreds and hundreds of thousands in North America,” said Hickman. 

To this end, Sage has been busy making new alliances and deepening current ones with companies like Microsoft, Amazon and PwC. They have collaborated on technology solutions with the aim of eventually driving integration into products like Office and other platforms, as well as on distribution and implementation of said solutions. With Microsoft and Amazon in particular, Hickman said they have whole partnerships where they go to market together and close new customers. Given these companies’ focus on large enterprises, Sage’s focus on small and medium businesses has acted as a bridge to this larger community. 

“What we’ve discovered here is that [Microsoft and Amazon], they don’t really play in the small to medium businesses with the cloud. So 90% of their new customers are net new customers so they’re actually getting into new customers because they’re working with us and closing new deals to get into these accounts and … using their amazing, world class platforms and their brands to work together,” he said. 

This is especially germane as the UK-based Sage expands further into the North American market, which makes up more than 44% of the company’s global revenues already. The company is making heavy investments in this region, which include technology but also additional staff as well as new facilities. Hickman said they will be building a whole new campus in Atlanta to serve as their new base for North American operations (in addition to the office they already maintain in that city), as well as new offices in Portland and Vancouver. 

Hickman said Sage’s thinking on these new locations came as the company emerged from the pandemic lockdowns, eventually settling on what he called a “hub strategy.” Previously, the company had over 80 offices around the world, but he said many of them were small and remote. The company chose a very deliberate strategy where they would instead have large offices in each of the major markets they really invest in, with fewer small satellite offices. This has allowed them to really focus their efforts around these flagship country “hubs.” He noted that the new offices in Canada is also a reflection of this hub strategy of “really increasing the investment in the offices where we want to concentrate our growth.” 

“So the North American businesses, the US businesses, are the fastest growing [sector] with great growth, and we hope to really accelerate that growth as we move forward,” he added. 

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FASB proposes guidance on accounting for government grants

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The Financial Accounting Standards Board issued a proposed accounting standards update Tuesday to establish authoritative guidance on the accounting for government grants received by business entities. 

U.S. GAAP currently doesn’t provide specific authoritative guidance about the recognition, measurement, and presentation of a grant received by a business entity from a government. Instead, many businesses currently apply the International Financial Reporting Standards Foundation’s International Accounting Standard 20, Accounting for Government Grants and Disclosure of Government Assistance, by analogy, at least in part, to account for government grants.

In 2022 FASB issued an Invitation to Comment, Accounting for Government Grants by Business Entities—Potential Incorporation of IAS 20, Accounting for Government Grants and Disclosure of Government Assistance, into GAAP. In response, most of FASB’s stakeholders supported leveraging the guidance in IAS 20 to develop accounting guidance for government grants in GAAP, believing it would reduce diversity in practice because entities would apply the guidance instead of analogizing to it or other guidance, thus narrowing the variability in accounting for government grants.

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The proposed ASU would leverage the guidance in IAS 20 with targeted improvements to establish guidance on how to recognize, measure, and present a government grant including (1) a grant related to an asset and (2) a grant related to income. It also would require, consistent with current disclosure requirements, disclosure about the nature of the government grant received, the accounting policies used to account for the grant, and significant terms and conditions of the grant, among others.

FASB is asking for comments on the proposed ASU by March 31, 2025.

“It will not be a cut and paste of IAS 20,” said FASB technical director Jackson Day during a session at Financial Executives International’s Current Financial Reporting Insights conference last week. “First of all, the scope is going to be a little bit different, probably a little bit more narrow. Second of all, the threshold of recognizing a government grant will be based on ‘probable,’ and ‘probable’ as we think of it in U.S. GAAP terms. We’re also going to do some work to make clarifications, etc. There is a little bit different thinking around the government grants for assets. There will be a deferred income approach or a cost accumulation approach that you can pick. And finally, there will be different disclosures because the disclosures will be based on what the board had previously issued, but it does leverage IAS 20. A few other things it does as far as reducing diversity. Most people analogized IAS 20. That was our anecdotal findings. But what does that mean? How exactly do they do that? This will set forth the specifics. It will also eliminate from the population those that were analogizing to ASC 450 or 958, because there were a few of those too. So it will go a long way in reducing diversity. It will also head down a model that will be generally internationally converged, which we still think about. We still collaborate with the staff [of the International Accounting Standards Board]. We don’t have any joint projects, but we still do our best when it makes sense to align on projects.”

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In the blogs: Questions for the moment

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Fighting scope creep; QCDs as the year ends; advising ministers; and other highlights from our favorite tax bloggers.

Questions for the moment

  • CLA (https://www.claconnect.com/en/resources?pageNum=0): One major question of the moment: What can nonprofits expect from future federal tax policies?
  • Mauled Again (http://mauledagain.blogspot.com/): Not long ago, about a dozen states would seize property for failure to pay property taxes and, instead of simply taking their share of unpaid taxes, interest, and penalties and returning the excess to the property owner, they would pocket the entire proceeds of the sales. Did high court intervention stem this practice? Not so much.
  • TaxConnex (https://www.taxconnex.com/blog-): What are the best questions to pin down sales tax risk and exposure?
  • Current Federal Tax Developments (https://www.currentfederaltaxdevelopments.com/): In Surk LLC v. Commissioner, the Tax Court was presented with the question of basis computations related to an interest in a partnership. The taxpayer mistakenly deducted losses that exceeded the limitation in IRC Sec. 704(d), raising the question: Should the taxpayer reduce its basis in subsequent years by the amount of those disallowed losses or compute the basis by treating those losses as if they were never deducted?

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On the table

  • Don’t Mess with Taxes (http://dontmesswithtaxes.typepad.com/): What to remind them, as end-of-year planning looms, about this year’s QCD numbers.
  • Parametric (https://www.parametricportfolio.com/blog): If your clients are using more traditional commingled products for their passive exposures, they may not know how much tax money they’re leaving on the table. A look at possible advantages of a separately managed account. 
  • Turbotax (https://blog.turbotax.intuit.com): Whether they’re talking diversification, gainful hobby or income stream, what to remind them about the tax benefits of investing in real estate.
  • The National Association of Tax Professionals (https://blog.natptax.com/): Q&A from a recent webinar on day cares’ unique income and expense categories.
  • Boyum & Barenscheer (https://www.myboyum.com/blog/): For larger manufacturers, compliance under IRC 263A is essential. And for all manufacturers, effective inventory management goes beyond balancing stock levels. Key factors affecting inventory accounting for large and small manufacturing businesses.
  • U of I Tax School (https://taxschool.illinois.edu/blog/): What to remind them — and yourself — about the taxation of clients who are ministers.
  • Withum (https://www.withum.com/resources/): A look at the recent IRS Memorandum 2024-36010 that denied the application of IRC Sec. 245A to dividends received by a controlled foreign corporation.

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PwC funds AI in Accounting Fellowship at Bryant University

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PwC made a $1.5 million investment to Bryant University, in Smithfield, Rhode Island, to fund the launch of the PwC AI in Accounting Fellowship.

The experiential learning program allows undergraduate students to explore AI’s impact in accounting by way of engaging in research with faculty, corporate-sponsored projects and professional development that blends traditional accounting principles with AI-driven tools and platforms. 

The first cohort of PwC AI in Accounting Fellows will be awarded to members of the Bryant Honors Program planning to study accounting. The fellowship funds can be applied to various educational resources, including conference fees, specialized data sheets, software and travel.

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“Aligned with our Vision 2030 strategic plan and our commitment to experiential learning and academic excellence, the fellowship also builds upon PwC’s longstanding relationship with Bryant University,” Bryant University president Ross Gittell said in a statement. “This strong partnership supports institutional objectives and includes the annual PwC Accounting Careers Leadership Institute for rising high school seniors, the PwC Endowed Scholarship Fund, the PwC Book Fund, and the PwC Center for Diversity and Inclusion.”

Bob Calabro, a PwC US partner and 1988 Bryant University alumnus and trustee, helped lead the development of the program.

“We are excited to introduce students to the many opportunities available to them in the accounting field and to prepare them to make the most of those opportunities, This program further illustrates the strong relationship between PwC and Bryant University, where so many of our partners and staff began their career journey in accounting” Calabro said in a statement.

“Bryant’s Accounting faculty are excited to work with our PwC AI in Accounting Fellows to help them develop impactful research projects and create important experiential learning opportunities,” professor Daniel Ames, chair of Bryant’s accounting department, said in a statement. “This program provides an invaluable opportunity for students to apply AI concepts to real-world accounting, shaping their educational journey in significant ways.”

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