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Volkswagen China is spending lots of time at Xpeng to make new EVs

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Top Volkswagen and Xpeng executives pose at the German automaker’s launch event in Beijing, China, on Aug. 24, 2024.

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BEIJING — Hundreds of Volkswagen staff are spending time at Xpeng as the German auto giant and Chinese startup work to create electric cars for China, Xpeng co-president Brian Gu told CNBC on Monday.

He also said the partnership will help Xpeng’s global ambitions.

Volkswagen in July 2023 announced a $700 million investment into Xpeng to jointly develop two electric cars for delivery in China in 2026. The vehicles will be based on the platform for Xpeng’s G9, a midsize electric crossover SUV.

The German company’s workers are spending more time at Xpeng’s offices than the startup’s are at Volkswagen’s, Gu said. They are learning about the startup’s technology.

Xpeng’s driver-assist technology is widely considered one of the best currently available in China. Tesla’s version, marketed as “full self-driving,” isn’t fully accessible in China.

The German automaker did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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Gu emphasized the forthcoming vehicles will be “very different” from those that currently sold by Xpeng or Volkswagen. He said the cars would likely have “better range, charging, much smarter driving, more feature luxury technology, for the same price, potentially.”

China is a key market for Volkswagen. The German automaker delivered 3.2 million cars in China last year, more than the 3.1 million in all of Western Europe.

But like many traditional foreign auto giants, Volkswagen has also struggled in China as the local market rapidly shifts towards battery-only and hybrid powered vehicles. The company’s China deliveries plunged by 19.3% in the quarter ended June from a year ago.

While Xpeng saw second-quarter deliveries grow by 30% year-on-year to more than 30,200 vehicles, the startup lags behind many of its Chinese rivals.

Looking overseas

The company has, meanwhile, pushed overseas, as have Chinese electric car companies BYD and Nio. In the second quarter, Xpeng said its overseas sales exceeded 10% of total revenue for the first time.

Xpeng CEO and Founder He Xiaopeng told Bloomberg last week that the Chinese automaker is in preliminary stages of selecting a site in the European Union as part of future plans for localizing production. The interview was published Tuesday.

Asked for comment, Xpeng said it shared during the Beijing auto show in the spring that the company is considering the possibility of overseas production.

Gu separately told reporters Monday that localization efforts in Southeast Asia would likely happen earlier than any in Europe.

He said the 10-year-old startup aims to reach at least 40 countries and regions by the end of this year, up from around 30 so far.

Xpeng launched in Thailand, Hong Kong and Macao earlier this month. Gu said that this week, the startup is launching in Malaysia, and officially unveiling its entry into Singapore, where Xpeng has a pop-up store.

The startup also plans to enter Australia, New Zealand, the U.K. and Ireland, Gu said.

Supply chain partnership

Speaking on how the Chinese company is learning from its German partner, Gu said that Xpeng staff visit Volkswagen offices in the city of Hefei, the capital of China’s Anhui Province, for design and technology, and Beijing for supply chain discussions.

The two companies in February announced that they had entered a “joint sourcing program” for auto parts.

Xpeng has invested in robotics since 2020 and is now focused on humanlike robots that can handle multiple tasks in factories, Gu told CNBC. He indicated Xpeng would likely reveal more details soon.

But when asked whether that humanoid integration included Volkswagen-related supply chains, he said it was too early for such implementation.

— CNBC’s Sonia Heng contributed to this report.

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Visa & Mastercard execs grilled by senators on high swipe fees

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The Senate Judiciary Committee convened on Tuesday for a hearing on the alleged VisaMastercard “duopoly,” which committee members from both sides of the aisle say has left retailers and other small businesses with no ability to negotiate interchange fees on credit card transactions.

“This is an odd grouping. The most conservative and the most liberal members happen to agree that we have to do something about this situation,” committee chair and Democratic Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin said.

Interchange fees, also known as swipe fees, are paid from a merchant’s bank account to the cardholder’s bank, whenever a customer uses a credit card in a retail purchase. Visa and Mastercard have a combined market cap of more than $1 trillion, and control 80% of the market.

“In 2023 alone, Visa and Mastercard charged merchants more than $100 billion in credit card fees, mostly in the form of interchange fees,” Durbin told the committee.

Durbin, along with Republican Kansas Sen. Roger Marshall, have co-sponsored the bipartisan Credit Card Competition Act, which takes aim at Visa and Mastercard’s market dominance by requiring banks with more than $100 billion in assets to offer at least one other payment network on their cards, besides Visa and Mastercard.

“This way, small businesses would finally have a real choice: they can route credit card transactions on the Visa or Mastercard network and continue to pay interchange fees that often rank as their second or biggest expense, or they could select a lower cost alternative,” Durbin told the committee.

Visa and Mastercard, however, stand by their swipe fees.

“We consider them incentives, some people might consider them penalties. But if you can adopt new technology that reduces the risk and takes fraud out of the system and improves streamlined processing, then you would qualify for lower interchange rates,” said Bill Sheedy, senior advisor to Visa CEO Ryan McInerney. “It’s very expensive to issue a product and to provide payment guarantee and online customer service, zero liability. All of those things, and many more, senator, get factored into interchange [fees].”

The executives also warned against the Credit Card Competition Act, with Sheedy claiming that it “would remove consumer control over their own payment decisions, reduce competition, impose technology sharing mandates and pick winners and losers by favoring certain competitors over others.”

“Why do we know this? Because we’ve seen it before,” Mastercard President of Americas Linda Kirkpatrick said, in reference to the Durbin amendment to the 2010 Dodd-Frank Act, which required the Fed to limit fees on retailers for transactions using debit cards. “Since debit regulation took hold, debit rewards were eliminated, fees went up, access to capital diminished, and competition was stifled.”

But the current high credit card swipe fees for retailers translate to higher prices for consumers, the National Retail Federation told the committee in a letter ahead of the hearing. The Credit Card Competition Act, the retail industry’s largest trade association wrote, will deliver “fairness and transparency to the payment system and relief to American business and consumers.”

“When we think of consumer spending, credit card swipe fees are not the first thing that comes to mind, yet those fees are a surprisingly large part of consumer spending,” Notre Dame University law professor Roger Alford said. “Last year, the average American spent $1,100 in swipe fees, more than they spent on pets, coffee or alcohol.”

Visa and Mastercard agreed to a $30 billion settlement in March meant to reduce their swipe fees by four basis points for three years, but a federal judge rejected the settlement in June, saying they could afford to pay more.

Visa is also battling a Justice Department lawsuit filed in September. The payment network is accused of maintaining an illegal monopoly over debit card payment networks, which has affected “the price of nearly everything,” according to Attorney General Merrick Garland.

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