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The case for Roth IRA conversions after the Secure Acts

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The days of the individual retirement account “stretch” are long gone. But the appeal of Roth conversions is enduring — especially under the current tax rates.

Expiring provisions of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act at the end of 2025 that mean lower taxes on the conversion, the fact that Roth IRAs carry no required minimum distributions and, of course, the duty-free withdrawals for the owner or their heirs add up to a compelling case, according to Sarah Brenner, the director of retirement education with consulting firm Ed Slott & Company. The first Secure Act was a “game-changer for IRAs and Roth IRAs” due to the new obligation for beneficiaries to empty the accounts within a decade of inheritance, and Secure 2.0 “made some changes around the edges,” she said in an interview.

The situation for traditional IRA owners is “kind of like ripping off a Band-Aid,” in which they should just “get the pain over with,” Brenner said, pointing out that clients often have a misconception that “you’ve got to do it all” even though “it’s not all-or-nothing” because they could simply do a partial conversion as well.

“The Secure Act changed the game, and it has definitely led to, I would say, an even stronger case for Roth conversions,” she added. “You work with the rules you have, and you have a 10-year rule.”

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After four straight years of pushing back the implementation of that rule, the IRS has indicated that it will be going into effect at the beginning of 2025. Next year was already going to turn into one of the most consequential for tax policy in recent decades because of the possible sunset of the lower tax brackets and many other parts of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that will be high on the agenda for the next occupant of the White House and lawmakers in control of Congress.

Tax experts have been extolling the continued virtues of Roth conversions since passage of the first Secure Act in 2019.

“Though considerations around Roth IRA conversions have changed as a result of the Secure Act, Roth IRAs still offer advantages to account owners and beneficiaries,” certified public accountant and planner Joseph Doerrer wrote the following year in the Journal of Accountancy. “Roth IRAs are tax advantaged, and owners of Roth IRAs aren’t required to take RMDs. This can prove helpful in retirement, as it allows a larger amount of assets to remain in the account. Not having to take RMDs can also help account owners avoid creating unwanted taxable income, giving them more flexibility in retirement. Beneficiaries will enjoy a simpler tax situation, versus beneficiaries of traditional IRAs, due to the tax-free nature of their distributions from the account.”

The politics that led to more tax revenue flowing into federal coffers are now affecting personal financial decisions among advisors and their clients in the wake of the two Secure Acts, Sheryl Rowling, a CPA, planner and technology firm founder, wrote last year for Morningstar.

“Now is the time to do Roth conversion planning,” Rowling said. “By delaying retirement distributions, your clients can have additional years to convert IRA funds to Roth at lower tax rates. These changes all seem to encourage, even require, a greater emphasis on Roth rather than pretax retirement contributions. Although this means more money to the IRS as contributions (or conversions) are made, the opportunity to permanently exclude future growth (and previously taxed principal) from taxation, coupled with the elimination of RMDs, should be a big win for taxpayers in the long run.”

The Roth conversion offers a “huge advantage” over traditional accounts in that clients “never need to take RMDs from their Roth IRAs when they’re alive,” Brenner noted. For those inheriting Roth accounts, their “very compressed timeline” to empty the IRAs within a decade is arriving alongside distributions that won’t have an effect on their taxable income, she said.

“I could just let that Roth IRA sit there and grow for 10 years and then everything would be accessible to me tax- and penalty-free. This is the type of proactive planning that people can be doing. Right now, we have historically low tax rates. We don’t know how long that’s going to last,” Brenner said. “It’s a good time for people to be thinking about converting their taxable traditional IRAs.”

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For advisors and their clients, the decision comes down to a simple calculation that the “money is going to be taxed at some point,” she noted.

“You are going to have to pay a tax bill when you convert. No one likes paying taxes unless they absolutely have to,” Brenner said. “Somebody at some point is going to have to pay taxes, so it’s good to do it on your schedule.”

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IAASB tweaks standards on working with outside experts

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The International Auditing and Assurance Standards Board is proposing to tailor some of its standards to align with recent additions to the International Ethics Standards Board for Accountants’ International Code of Ethics for Professional Accountants when it comes to using the work of an external expert.

The proposed narrow-scope amendments involve minor changes to several IAASB standards:

  • ISA 620, Using the Work of an Auditor’s Expert;
  • ISRE 2400 (Revised), Engagements to Review Historical Financial Statements;
  • ISAE 3000 (Revised), Assurance Engagements Other than Audits or Reviews of Historical Financial Information;
  • ISRS 4400 (Revised), Agreed-upon Procedures Engagements.

The IAASB is asking for comments via a digital response template that can be found on the IAASB website by July 24, 2025.

In December 2023, the IESBA approved an exposure draft for proposed revisions to the IESBA’s Code of Ethics related to using the work of an external expert. The proposals included three new sections to the Code of Ethics, including provisions for professional accountants in public practice; professional accountants in business and sustainability assurance practitioners. The IESBA approved the provisions on using the work of an external expert at its December 2024 meeting, establishing an ethical framework to guide accountants and sustainability assurance practitioners in evaluating whether an external expert has the necessary competence, capabilities and objectivity to use their work, as well as provisions on applying the Ethics Code’s conceptual framework when using the work of an outside expert.  

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Tariffs will hit low-income Americans harder than richest, report says

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President Donald Trump’s tariffs would effectively cause a tax increase for low-income families that is more than three times higher than what wealthier Americans would pay, according to an analysis from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy.

The report from the progressive think tank outlined the outcomes for Americans of all backgrounds if the tariffs currently in effect remain in place next year. Those making $28,600 or less would have to spend 6.2% more of their income due to higher prices, while the richest Americans with income of at least $914,900 are expected to spend 1.7% more. Middle-income families making between $55,100 and $94,100 would pay 5% more of their earnings. 

Trump has imposed the steepest U.S. duties in more than a century, including a 145% tariff on many products from China, a 25% rate on most imports from Canada and Mexico, duties on some sectors such as steel and aluminum and a baseline 10% tariff on the rest of the country’s trading partners. He suspended higher, customized tariffs on most countries for 90 days.

Economists have warned that costs from tariff increases would ultimately be passed on to U.S. consumers. And while prices will rise for everyone, lower-income families are expected to lose a larger portion of their budgets because they tend to spend more of their earnings on goods, including food and other necessities, compared to wealthier individuals.

Food prices could rise by 2.6% in the short run due to tariffs, according to an estimate from the Yale Budget Lab. Among all goods impacted, consumers are expected to face the steepest price hikes for clothing at 64%, the report showed. 

The Yale Budget Lab projected that the tariffs would result in a loss of $4,700 a year on average for American households.

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At Schellman, AI reshapes a firm’s staffing needs

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Artificial intelligence is just getting started in the accounting world, but it is already helping firms like technology specialist Schellman do more things with fewer people, allowing the firm to scale back hiring and reduce headcount in certain areas through natural attrition. 

Schellman CEO Avani Desai said there have definitely been some shifts in headcount at the Top 100 Firm, though she stressed it was nothing dramatic, as it mostly reflects natural attrition combined with being more selective with hiring. She said the firm has already made an internal decision to not reduce headcount in force, as that just indicates they didn’t hire properly the first time. 

“It hasn’t been about reducing roles but evolving how we do work, so there wasn’t one specific date where we ‘started’ the reduction. It’s been more case by case. We’ve held back on refilling certain roles when we saw opportunities to streamline, especially with the use of new technologies like AI,” she said. 

One area where the firm has found such opportunities has been in the testing of certain cybersecurity controls, particularly within the SOC framework. The firm examined all the controls it tests on the service side and asked which ones require human judgment or deep expertise. The answer was a lot of them. But for the ones that don’t, AI algorithms have been able to significantly lighten the load. 

“[If] we don’t refill a role, it’s because the need actually has changed, or the process has improved so significantly [that] the workload is lighter or shared across the smarter system. So that’s what’s happening,” said Desai. 

Outside of client services like SOC control testing and reporting, the firm has found efficiencies in administrative functions as well as certain internal operational processes. On the latter point, Desai noted that Schellman’s engineers, including the chief information officer, have been using AI to help develop code, which means they’re not relying as much on outside expertise on the internal service delivery side of things. There are still people in the development process, but their roles are changing: They’re writing less code, and doing more reviewing of code before it gets pushed into production, saving time and creating efficiencies. 

“The best way for me to say this is, to us, this has been intentional. We paused hiring in a few areas where we saw overlaps, where technology was really working,” said Desai.

However, even in an age awash with AI, Schellman acknowledges there are certain jobs that need a human, at least for now. For example, the firm does assessments for the FedRAMP program, which is needed for cloud service providers to contract with certain government agencies. These assessments, even in the most stable of times, can be long and complex engagements, to say nothing of the less predictable nature of the current government. As such, it does not make as much sense to reduce human staff in this area. 

“The way it is right now for us to do FedRAMP engagements, it’s a very manual process. There’s a lot of back and forth between us and a third party, the government, and we don’t see a lot of overall application or technology help… We’re in the federal space and you can imagine, [with] what’s going on right now, there’s a big changing market condition for clients and their pricing pressure,” said Desai. 

As Schellman reduces staff levels in some places, it is increasing them in others. Desai said the firm is actively hiring in certain areas. In particular, it’s adding staff in technical cybersecurity (e.g., penetration testers), the aforementioned FedRAMP engagements, AI assessment (in line with recently becoming an ISO 42001 certification body) and in some client-facing roles like marketing and sales. 

“So, to me, this isn’t about doing more with less … It’s about doing more of the right things with the right people,” said Desai. 

While these moves have resulted in savings, she said that was never really the point, so whatever the firm has saved from staffing efficiencies it has reinvested in its tech stack to build its service line further. When asked for an example, she said the firm would like to focus more on penetration testing by building a SaaS tool for it. While Schellman has a proof of concept developed, she noted it would take a lot of money and time to deploy a full solution — both of which the firm now has more of because of its efficiency moves. 

“What is the ‘why’ behind these decisions? The ‘why’ for us isn’t what I think you traditionally see, which is ‘We need to get profitability high. We need to have less people do more things.’ That’s not what it is like,” said Desai. “I want to be able to focus on quality. And the only way I think I can focus on quality is if my people are not focusing on things that don’t matter … I feel like I’m in a much better place because the smart people that I’ve hired are working on the riskiest and most complicated things.”

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